Jim Kavanaugh, Co-Founder and CEO of World Wide Technology (WWT), joins Adam Mendler on the Thirty Minute Mentors podcast to share how the discipline he learned as a professional soccer player and 1984 U.S. Olympic team member shaped the leadership philosophy behind building one of the largest privately held companies in the country. Their conversation covers resilience, humility, meritocracy, and what it really takes to build a business from near-bankruptcy into a $20 billion enterprise. Read the full transcript of Adam’s conversation with Jim Kavanaugh.
Episode Summary
Jim Kavanaugh’s path to the 1984 Olympic soccer team ran through a promise that was later broken. After making it through several rounds of tryouts, national team coach Manfred Schellscheidt told Jim that if he redshirted for a year, he would guarantee him a spot on the roster. Jim did exactly that, playing well in the tournaments that followed. A few weeks before the Games, the federation fired Schellscheidt and installed a new coach, who brought in professional players instead and cut most of the amateur roster, Jim included. Jim still describes the experience as one of the best of his life, since it took him from a bricklayer’s son in St. Louis to playing matches in China, South Korea, Venezuela, and Honduras, and seeing extreme wealth and extreme poverty firsthand along the way.
That same tolerance for setbacks resurfaced early in WWT’s history, when the company nearly collapsed under a co-owner whose financial mismanagement brought in the bank’s bankruptcy attorneys. The bank did not extend the company a lifeline out of goodwill, Jim is clear about that, but because it was leveraged and had no better option. WWT used that narrow opening to remove the problematic owner and rebuild around people who actually shared its values, a lesson Jim now treats as more important than the underlying business model itself.
Growth brought its own near-disaster. WWT won a contract to consolidate technology across hundreds of a major customer’s distribution facilities, a project that grew so large one executive told Jim directly that it was going to sink the company. Jim refused to walk away from what he considered a once in a lifetime deal, and WWT mobilized around the clock to deliver it. That customer has stayed with WWT for more than twenty years since.
Jim is candid about what he calls the echo chamber that swallows leaders who stop hearing honest feedback once they’ve had real success. He credits his brother Mike, a retired sprinkler fitter who still lives near their mother and looks after her, as one of the few people who will tell him bluntly when he is wrong, regardless of Jim’s title or how large WWT has grown. Jim’s own summary of leadership is blunt in the same way: being nice is not always nice, and sometimes the more useful thing a leader can do is say the direct, uncomfortable thing instead.
What You’ll Learn
- Why Jim didn’t learn until his late twenties that his own father saw him as “a difficult kid” who challenged everything, a self-perception gap Jim says he still can’t fully reconcile.
- Why Jim believes controlling your own reaction to criticism matters more than controlling what other people say about you in the first place.
- Why Jim sometimes deliberately does something dramatic to get a group’s attention, and why he insists that only works if it’s a choice rather than a reaction to being triggered.
- Why Jim distinguishes between businesses built for a comfortable lifestyle and businesses built to keep raising the bar indefinitely, and which kind he says WWT was never allowed to become.
- Jim credits his brother Mike, a retired sprinkler fitter, as one of the few people who will bluntly tell him he is wrong, regardless of Jim’s title or WWT’s size.
- Jim believes being nice is not always nice, arguing leaders sometimes need to say the direct, uncomfortable thing rather than what a team member wants to hear.
About Jim Kavanaugh
Jim Kavanaugh is the co-founder and CEO of WWT, a technology company with more than 20 billion dollars in annual revenue and more than 12,000 employees, one of the largest private companies in the country. He grew up in St. Louis, the son of a bricklayer, and trained with the 1984 U.S. Olympic soccer team after starring at Saint Louis University, before being cut weeks before the Games when the federation brought in professional players. Jim co-founded WWT more than 35 years ago and has led it from its earliest, near-failed days through decades of growth, still working today alongside college soccer teammates who have been with the company for more than 25 years.
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